What follows is my response to the last "Anonymous" in the comments of my previous post:
Homosexual agenda trumps freedom of religion. My responses are slightly out of the original order of his remarks, for better flow.
Anon. said: “It is just so quaint to think you can use terms like "homosexual agenda" like there is some gang of 10 on the grand council of gays announcing the next tactical steps in world domination.”
Your inference – not mine. The word “agenda” is fairly straightforward, and in this case I use it in the second sense of Merriam-Webster’s definition: “an underlying often ideological plan or program.” I have merely noted the obvious: that the plethora of gay advocacy groups (which even a cursory Google search easily demonstrates) are very well-networked and effective lobby organizations, with remarkably similar political goals. In other words, they pursue an ‘agenda,’ as do any other political actors in a democracy.
Anon. said: “What is the Christian Agenda these days anyway? Anyone?”
To proclaim the Gospel – that although all human beings have sinned, and broken the Covenant with their Creator, God sent His only Son to die in reparation for these sins and offered anyone who would believe in and follow Him the gift of eternal life. That’s its mission – to proclaim this truth.
Anon. said: “Lastly, we have freedoms because good people fought for them, not due to the benevolence of the Catholic church. But nice try.”
For the record, I said “the Western Christian tradition” but that's beside the point. If you choose to ignore the role that Christianity has played in the establishment of Western civilization and its democratic institutions, that’s your prerogative. In which case I might hazard to guess that no number of annotated bibliographies attempting to prove the contrary would be make much difference. So perhaps we can just set that issue aside for now.
Anon. said: “As for the magnamous and ever-giving sprit of the universal Christian church, I'll make sure to keep pretending those "God Hates Fags" signs a certain prominent Christian chuch likes to parade around don't actually exist since no Christian group could ever aspire to that kind of behavior. Who was I to trust my lying eyes?”
The reprehensible behavior of
Fred Phelps and his ilk (I assume that's the reference) deserve - and have for the most part received - the unconditional condemnation of the universal Christian church and all other people of goodwill. His actions are evil, and contrary to the very faith he claims to uphold. That said, it makes no sense to condemn all Christians for the specific sins of some who claim that name.
Anon. said: “And as for the Catholic Church being this bastion of gay friendliness, is that why the Pope oh-so-recently referred to homosexuality as "intrinsically evil" and constantly threatens good people of democratic countries everywhere of the great travesty that will befall marriage and society if gay citizens are allowed to have their relationships and families recognized under the law?”
If you provide a reference for what you claim the Pope said, I will comment. But my guess is that he would not have referred to homosexual orientation
per se as “intrinsically evil.” As the Catechism states:
2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
Actions, however, aren’t usually conflated with the persons who carry them out. Did you ever try to dissuade someone from a particular action because you either a) considered the action wrong, and/or b) you believed that the person considering the act might be harmed in some way? Of course, your advice or caution in that instance (unless it involved, for example, a child whose safety was your responsibility) would carry no compulsion – the person in question would be free to follow your counsel – or not. The Church sees her role in the same way. This was well expressed by Mother Theresa:
“I want very much for people to come to know God, to love Him, to serve Him, for that is true happiness. And what I have I want everyone in the world to have. But it is their choice. If they have seen the light they can follow it. I cannot give them the light: I can only give them the means.”
I consider myself part of a generation of prodigals who, for many years, did my level best to ignore that light. I conveniently ignored the fact that when Jesus forgave the woman caught in adultery, He did not say, “Now go, and party hearty!” but rather, “Now go, and sin no more.” While I chafed at the Church’s preaching of ‘rules, rules, rules,’ Jesus gradually revealed Himself to me as the incarnation of perfect love. The realization that this Love would always seek my better good led to me become more open to evaluating what actions of mine might or might not be conducive to actually achieving that good. (Of course, this is a work in progress – I’m as prone as the next person to hissy fits over what I think is best for ‘me, me, me’ …)
Which is all to say that the Church continues to follow Jesus’ example, by distinguishing between
persons, who are to be loved unconditionally, and
actions, which can be deemed either: a) good (not harmful to the person), or b) bad /sinful (harmful to the person). This is why the Church can state in its Catechism (#2357) that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." Not the person,
the act. The two are
not synonymous. Like any other prohibitions this is stated not to hurt or exclude, but rather, out of love for the person whose freely chosen actions the Church believes would lead them to harm. Yet, no one is compelled to agree with this worldview. As the Church said in
Dignitatis Humanae, its Vatican II declaration on religious freedom:
“Truth is to be sought after in a manner proper to the dignity of the human person and his social nature. The inquiry is to be free, carried on with the aid of teaching or instruction, communication and dialogue, in the course of which men explain to one another the truth they have discovered, or think they have discovered, in order thus to assist one another in the quest for truth.”
As for the Church’s concerns over the societal implications of SSM – I’m not going to reinvent the wheel, as others, much more erudite than me, have better addressed this and other matters related to the issue. Here’s an answer to the question:
“But gay people are a small minority. Allowing them to marry would mean nothing more than a slight alteration to the existing system and would even add support for the institution. What's all the fuss about?” from two McGill scholars, one of whom happens to be homosexual. Nineteen other common objections are addressed in that same article.
I’d also recommend Fr. Dowd’s writings on the issue (in order):
- The post that started it all: The weakness of the public position of those opposing same-sex marriage
- Dot #1: Natural family bonds
- Dot #2: Same-sex marriage is not about equal rights
- Dot #3: Parental rights and responsibilities
Anon. said: “I try to be open-minded, and I actually work very hard to see the other side, but as a Gay man I cannot accept it when people ignore reality in order to propogate their myths and claim that any other view is a lie.”
“Reality”: this is synonymous with “fact”, which in turn is synonymous with “truth.” I too, believe in these things – as I said before, I’m not a relativist. And because I believe that reality, facts and truth actually exist and can be discovered, the corollary is that their opposites just as surely have a place in our universe. By your statement above, you are saying that you believe you are right, and that others who propose a different ‘reality’ (‘myths’ in fact) are wrong. In a strange way, we’re in some agreement on this.
Anon. said: “I've experienced the homophobia of hateful people (many of them so-called Christians through my whole life - you haven't. So please spare me your sanctimonious explanations about something you do not know.”
It is quite obvious that I have not had your experience. For what it’s worth, I am sincerely sorry for the pain you have experienced in your life. If I’ve added to it by my sometimes flippant attitude in the previous post, I apologize – I meant no insult - the tone is merely an occupational hazard of the hurly-burly of the blogosphere, which often includes, in my case, being on the receiving end of a steady stream of anti-Catholic invective. Given that fact, however, I might be capable of more empathy than you realize.
Labels: Catholicism, religious freedom